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RALEIGH, N.C. — Oh, hunger. What an overused, under-examined phrase in the lexicon of college football coaches speak … except, well, when it becomes literal.

First, the traditional (and trite) meaning: that a program is anxious, eager and champing at the bit to prove itself and succeed. And in that sense, NC State certainly fits the definition. Consecutive nine-win seasons in 2017 and 2018 had Dave Doeren’s club seemingly on the brink of a major breakthrough — and then came last season. A rotating cast of quarterbacks coupled with countless injuries to significant starters ultimately brought the Wolfpack back down to earth. Six straight losses to end the season was just the punctuation on a painful 4-8 campaign.

“You get to nine wins — nine wins — and sometimes you’re a young team and the kids didn’t understand maybe what those guys went through to create that because they weren’t here to witness that challenge,” Doeren told The Athletic. “Now they get it, you know? Winning’s hard. It’s really hard.” And while Doeren’s team understands that now, it doesn’t mean it’s any more satisfied with the way last season ended.

As defensive coordinator Tony Gibson succinctly said: “We’re pissed off.”


It should be no surprise, then, that NC State’s Zoom meetings over the last several months have been highly productive. With frustration comes fuel. But recently, thanks to an idea of Gibson’s, with frustration comes … food?

Gibson and others on the staff have taken that metaphorical “hunger” and translated it to reality. The Wolfpack’s defensive players, on a position-by-position basis, have been split into teams of two, and the groups compete during film study and play recall in meetings. There’s no number of points that signifies the end of the competition — when football returns in person is still up in the air, after all — but the reward has long been stated.

“When they get back, I’m gonna have them at my house. And the winning team is gonna get steak,” Gibson told The Athletic, “and the losing team is gonna get hot dogs.”

There’s a chuckle on the other end of the line.

“Obviously,” he added, “it gets their competitive juices flowing a little bit.”

That’s a good thing. A necessary thing, really. Not that the Wolfpack weren’t competing beforehand, but an offseason overhaul of the program was all about creating accountability. With the players, obviously, but the coaching staff, too. That’s part of the reason Doeren brought in five new coaches, including former Texas offensive coordinator Tim Beck, and slashed the “co-” off Gibson’s defensive coordinator title.

“When you go through difficult things,” Doeren said, “it provides opportunities for not just reflection but for growth.”

The reflection part and the subsequent changes are done. Now it’s about improvement. Luckily, the youth on this team means there’s plenty of opportunity for it; outside of Clemson, NC State played the second-most freshmen in the country last season. With a year of playing time under their belts, there’s reason to believe their young core coupled with established veterans can get the Wolfpack trending upward again. That’ll mean more stability from an offense that finished 12th in the ACC in scoring last season (22.1 points per game) and more teeth from a defense that allowed at least 28 points per game in the last six contests of the year.

The stakes are high, clearly — and for more reasons than the steaks up for grabs.

Roster analysis


That old adage about if you have two quarterbacks, you really don’t have any? Well, what if you have three?

The same holds, as NC State discovered last season. A trio of signal callers lined up under center for the Wolfpack in 2019, two of whom return in redshirt sophomore Devin Leary and redshirt junior Bailey Hockman, although none of the three really excelled. Leary, though, started the final five games, throwing for 1,219 yards and eight touchdowns against five interceptions. Those numbers didn’t translate to wins, but for a guy who started the season No. 3 on the depth chart, it was enough promise for Doeren to name Leary the starter heading into spring camp.

Accuracy will be Leary’s greatest area for improvement, as the former two-time New Jersey Gatorade player of the year completed only 48.1 percent of his passes in 2019. But Beck and Doeren said they’re encouraged by Leary’s arm strength and quick release. “I’m really excited about his potential and some of the things he can bring to the table for us,” Beck said. “It’s just going to take time.”

Hockman is slated to serve as Leary’s backup, but if the former struggles early, it wouldn’t be inconceivable for the coaching staff to make a switch. Behind those two are a pair of redshirt freshmen in Ty Evans and Jamie Shaw. Evans was the more highly touted recruit, rated as the No. 18 pro-style quarterback in the class. Lastly, there’s freshman Ben Finley, the younger brother of former NC State starter Ryan Finley, for depth and development.

Running backs

Whoever lines up at quarterback already has one built-in advantage: whom he’s handing off the ball to. For all the potential on this roster, the running backs are arguably the strongest unit of any on offense.

Sophomore Zonovan “Bam” Knight leads the way, and he’ll look to build on his promising freshman campaign of 745 yards and five scores. If taking your first college carry in for a touchdown doesn’t foretell great things, nothing does. Knight especially came on late in the year, recording two of his three 100-yard rushing games in NC State’s final four contests. But the depth here is staggering, both for the number of runners at Beck’s disposal and their various styles. Fellow sophomore Jordan Houston isn’t as physical as Knight, but he has great speed that pairs nicely in tandem; he also had over 500 yards last season.

The particularly interesting name to watch, though, is junior Ricky Person Jr., the former No. 4 back in the 2018 class. Person’s talent is immense, but he’s had trouble staying on the field since he arrived in Raleigh, missing nine games in two years. If he’s healthy, the Wolfpack will have as strong a group of rushers as anyone in the ACC. Redshirt sophomore Trent Pennix also has playing experience.

Wide receivers/tight ends

Might true freshman Porter Rooks, the Wolfpack’s top-rated incoming recruit, see substantial playing time this season? It’s not inconceivable after what Doeren said he wants from his pass catchers.

“We need to be faster,” he said, “and make more plays after the catch.” Rooks fits that mold, and the coaching staff is excited about his potential.

There are already playmakers at the position, though, including several returning starters. Senior Emeka Emezie, the team’s leading receiver last season (56 catches, 576 yards), will lock down one of the starting slots out wide. At 6-foot-3 and 210 pounds, he has the physicality to make contested catches, as evidenced by his 20-game catching streak. After speedster C.J. Riley tore his ACL in the season opener, Devin Carter filled in admirably with 456 yards; both are back in 2020, giving Leary two other massive, 6-foot-4 targets. Grad transfer Tabari Hines is gone, which should allow that trio to see a majority of the snaps, but redshirt junior Thayer Thomas will compete for time after starting 10 games last season.

At tight end, the Wolfpack are thrilled to get back injured captain Dylan Autenrieth, who returns for his sixth season. How much he plays is up in the air, as Cary Angeline developed into an All-ACC honorable mention in Autenrieth’s absence. Angeline, who caught 25 balls for 379 yards and a team-high five touchdowns, will also have to stave off athletic redshirt senior Dylan Parham.

It’s an experienced group, but injuries in recent seasons mean there’s still some projecting as far as the extent of the rotation. “There wasn’t anybody out there like, ‘This guy? He can’t play for us,'” Beck said. “There wasn’t that. It was, ‘Hey, this guy did this really well. Look at his effort; look at that block; that was a great route.’ You saw a lot of really positive things.”

Offensive line

The good news: Six offensive linemen who started last season return for 2020. The not-so-good news: With a line that struggled at times last season (especially during the six-game losing streak), how many of those guys can reasonably be expected to start again?

The two to feel safe about are redshirt junior center Grant Gibson and redshirt senior left guard Joe Sculthorpe. “We’ve got pretty good returning strength there,” Doeren said, “but we’ve gotta figure out the rest of it.”

That’s especially true at tackle. Tyrone Riley was the assumed starter at left tackle last season but suffered a season-ending foot injury the second day of practice in August. He was replaced by the since-departed Emanuel McGirt Jr., then by sophomore Ikem Ekwonu for the final seven games. Ekwonu and Riley will battle for that spot, with the loser providing swing tackle depth. On the right side, redshirt senior Justin Witt is back, but he too suffered a season-ending injury and missed seven games. His replacement, redshirt junior Bryson Speas, is better suited at guard, though, and Witt should reclaim that spot. Speas, then, figures to occupy the right guard spot that opened up when Joshua Fedd-Jackson entered the transfer portal, but that’s not a guarantee.

“We’ve got good players there,” Doeren said. “We’ve just gotta get them all on the field at the same time and see what the best five are.”

The staff is also high on redshirt freshman Dylan McMahon, who played in four games — including against Clemson — to keep his redshirt intact. But considering McMahon, Riley and Witt missed the team’s limited spring practices, there’s still some sussing out to be done along the line.

Returning production
Pass yds
Leary, 1,219
Rush yds
Knight, 745
Rec yds
Emezie, 576
OL starts
Gibson, 12
Ingle & Wilson, 69 each
McNeill, 7.5
McNeill, 5.5
Ingram, 2

Defensive line

The defensive line room has become something of an NFL breeding ground in recent years, and the cupboard is still very much intact in that respect. It all starts in the middle with junior nose tackle Alim McNeill, whom Gibson called the “bell cow” on the D-line. At 6-foot-2 and 315 pounds, the All-ACC honorable mention from last season is a one-man wrecking ball. “He’s playing with extreme confidence right now,” Gibson said, which makes sense, as McNeill recorded 7 1/2 tackles for loss last season.

Joining McNeill inside is redshirt senior Val Martin, who missed the spring after undergoing offseason shoulder surgery. Those two will form a formidable rotation on the interior of Gibson’s 3-3-5 stack scheme, with the potential to kick one to “end” in certain three-man fronts.

On the edge, the Wolfpack are loaded with potential but thin on proven contributors. Redshirt junior Ibrahim Kante will have every opportunity to start at one end spot, but there are a number of younger talents the coaching staff is excited about, too. Tops among them are sophomore Savion Jackson, the team’s top-rated recruit in the 2019 class, and redshirt freshman Terrell Dawkins. Jackson is the favorite to start, but Gibson said he ideally would like at least nine linemen he can rotate over the course of a game. Grad transfer Daniel Joseph, who arrives from Penn State, will fit in that mix.

A deeper rotation is also a good sign for several younger guys, many of whom were top recruits. Redshirt freshman nose Joshua Harris, for example, was a four-star prospect who developed last season behind McNeill and Martin. Redshirt freshman C.J. Clark was also a four-star recruit, with the mobility-strength combination to play either one- or three-technique.

Again, potential is the key here. The hope is new D-line coach Charley Wiles, who arrives after more than 20 years at Virginia Tech, can parlay that raw talent into production.Dylan Autenrieth returns as an on-field and off-field leader for the young Wolfpack. (Rob Kinnan / USA Today)


If you’re looking for “the guy” in 2020, especially from a leadership perspective, it is unequivocally redshirt junior linebacker Isaiah Moore. Third on the team in tackles with 53 a season ago, Moore will be as key to the defensive success this year as anyone.

He’ll have help, though, in what makes up one of the team’s stronger rooms. Redshirt sophomore Payton Wilson, who tied for the team lead with 69 tackles, should start this season and expand his role even further. “He’s settling in and becoming what we thought he would,” Gibson said. Senior Louis Acceus, despite being a bit undersized, is back again after missing the final four games of the season with an injury. Those three, as likely starters, form the nucleus of the defense.

But there are others the coaching staff is watching closely, including redshirt sophomore Calvin “C.J.” Hart Jr., sophomore Jaylon Scott and sophomore Drake Thomas. All three will be counted on as part of the rotation, especially with former starter Brock Miller grad transferring to Boise State. The X-factor here is redshirt junior Vi Jones, who transferred from USC and sat out last season. “He’s a freak,” Gibson said. “Just can run. Very good pass rusher.” His versatility, at 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds, can absolutely be an asset.

Defensive back

Much like the O-line, there’s talent in the secondary. And much like the O-line, there are health questions that will factor in. At times last season, the Wolfpack were down to their sixth, seventh and eighth corners.

“Anybody out there knows that’s hard to win with,” Doeren said.

The lone guarantee in the secondary is junior free safety Tanner Ingle, who tied for the team lead with 69 tackles a season ago. A former nickel, Ingle isn’t huge — he’s listed at just 5-foot-10 and 188 pounds — but he’s dependable and a sound tackler for his size. His counterpart at safety, though, could end up being anyone.

Gibson said he feels “really good” about sophomore Jakeen Harris, who had 31 tackles last season in a rotational role. There’s also redshirt freshman Khalid Martin, who started for the injured Ingle against UNC, and junior Tyler Baker-Williams, who has mostly been a nickel thus far in his career. Don’t count out freshmen Nehki Meredith or Devan Boykin, either; Gibson said both were off to strong starts in the spring before the COVID-19 pandemic set in. “You can tell he’s a coach’s son,” Gibson said of Boykin, who played under his father, Johnny, at Ragsdale High School in Greensboro.

Cornerback is slightly less muddled but with a deeper overall group. Some crucial context: Chris Ingram, who started last season at right corner, suffered a season-ending knee injury in the sixth game of the season. His fellow starter on the left side, Nick McCloud, injured his left knee in the season opener and essentially missed the rest of the year; he has since entered the transfer portal. Replacing those two came via a committee approach. Returning junior Teshaun Smith and redshirt sophomore Malik Dunlap each started a handful of games, as did a few players who are no longer with the program: Kishawn Miller, who started five games outside before exhausting his eligibility, and De’Von Graves, who transferred to Northern Arizona this offseason. Stephen Griffin, who started eight games at nickel, graduated.

Add to the mix redshirt freshman Shyheim Battle, redshirt sophomore Taiyon Palmer and sophomore Cecil Powell and, clearly, there’s a lot to make sense of.

“We’ve got a lot of work to do back there,” Doeren said.

Ingram figures to assume one of the starting outside roles, with the other to be decided before the season. Dunlap (who played in all 12 games) and Powell are among the early favorites, but don’t discount Battle. “He had probably as good a spring as anybody on our defense,” Gibson said.

Special teams

Redshirt junior punter Trenton Gill and junior kicker Christopher Dunn are back in 2020 and coming off All-ACC seasons. Gill, who led the conference in punting average, should contend for All-America honors if he stays on track. Dunn, meanwhile, made 21 of his 24 field goal attempts and every PAT. That duo should be among the conference’s best. Sophomore kick returner Keyon Lesane and punt returner Thayer return, too.

(part 2 in comments)


  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,664PFN Referee
    (here is part 2)

    How the Wolfpack recruited from 2017 to 2020

    NC State’s penchant, at least under Doeren, for turning less-heralded recruits into viable NFL prospects isn’t changing anytime soon. While the Wolfpack sent only two players to the league in this year’s draft, the same mantra and method of development stand.

    “You’re not just trying to find a really good player; you’re trying to find a guy who loves what it takes to be a really good player,” Doeren said. “We do look at ourselves as a place where you’re gonna be developed, and there are statistics out there that back up our strength at doing that — how we’ve taken a lot of guys who may have been a three- or a two-star (recruit) and we turn ’em into an NFL player.”

    Of course, football has always been — and remains — a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately sport. Only Alabama had more players drafted than NC State’s seven in 2018, but Doeren knows he and his staff can’t rest on their laurels. A bounce-back year, in that respect, would help tremendously in maintaining the Wolfpack’s legitimacy in living rooms nationwide. And as for the state of North Carolina specifically, new D-line coach Wiles is especially well known and successful in the state. He’ll need to be, too, as his addition is somewhat meant to offset the departure of former co-offensive coordinator Des Kitchings.

    One other important factor to note: the recruiting swell happening several miles down Tobacco Road in Chapel Hill. With new-again coach Mack Brown in his second stint at UNC, he’s using the same recruiting strategy he did in the ’90s: owning the state. And it’s working. Of the top 15 recruits in the state in the 2021 class, per 247Sports, only one — receiver Micah Crowell — is committed to NC State. Meanwhile, nine are committed to North Carolina. It’s a trend worth watching and one that doesn’t seem to be slowing down.

    That doesn’t mean the Wolfpack aren’t still in a solid position with the 2021 class, though. The program is going hard after linebacker Jabril McNeill (Sanderson/Raleigh, N.C.), Alim’s younger brother, and is among his 11 finalists. Weakside defensive end Travali Price (North Lincoln/Lincolnton, N.C.) recently committed, as did four-star quarterback Aaron McLaughlin (Denmark/Alpharetta, Ga.) in May. Landing four-star linebacker/athlete Jordan Poole (West Stanly/Oakboro, N.C.) over other finalists South Carolina and Virginia Tech would be an especially good get at a key position.

    Impact of coaching changes

    It would be a lie to say Doeren completely cleaned house after last season’s disappointment, but he nearly did. Reevaluating his coaching staff — and making tough decisions in certain cases — was key to establishing the accountability Doeren talked about with his program overall.

    NC State has five new coaches, including four on the defensive side of the ball. New on the defensive staff are Wiles (D-line), Brian Mitchell (cornerbacks), Freddie Aughtry-Lindsay (nickels) and Joe DeForest (safeties). Additionally, Gibson — last season’s co-defensive coordinator — takes over the role alone after the departure of Dave Huxtable (now an analyst at Texas).

    Normally, all those new names and faces would take time to mesh together. Not so much here. Gibson worked with Mitchell and DeForest at West Virginia, and Mitchell and Wiles were colleagues at Virginia Tech. “We are a little unique, I think, in how this thing was put back together,” Doeren said. “Most of these guys either had a prior relationship to me or with each other at other schools.”

    The same is true on offense with Beck, who was previously with Doeren at Kansas and O-line coach John Garrison at Nebraska. Beck was still coaching high school when he first met Doeren, and after working together at Kansas, Doeren said he’s been looking for the opportunity to do so again. At last, the chance came up. Of course, it helps that Beck has experience in a wide array of offenses; everything from a full-out spread scheme to more of a smashmouth, run-oriented offense, Beck has coached it. And he has the pupils — Tommy Armstrong Jr. and Taylor Martinez at Nebraska, J.T. Barrett at Ohio State and recently Sam Ehlinger at Texas — to prove he knows what he’s doing.

    “I wanted an experienced play caller that knew how to fix things,” Doeren said. “I wanted a guy who could build bridges and chemistry, not just with players but staff — and I’ve always felt Tim was a connection guy. He’s a glue guy that people like being around. They gravitate to him.”

    Beck will be tasked with developing the young quarterbacks room on the fly. That’s a challenge, but one he’s up for. As for the scheme he foresees running, Beck said he likes having options for his players to take advantage of. For example, he plans on installing more pass plays with route-running options for receivers, based on the coverages they read.

    “There’s a systematic approach to it, in the running game and the passing game. There’re answers,” Beck said. “Who are our weapons? How do we get them the ball? How do we create one-on-one matchups to those guys? How do we have favorable boxes to run the ball at? And what can our quarterback handle? There’s a lot of things that go into what it’s actually going to be.”

    Schedule analysis

    Sept. 2at Louisville
    Sept. 12Mississippi State
    Sept. 19at Troy
    Sept. 26Delaware
    Oct. 3Florida State
    Oct. 10Duke
    Oct. 17at Clemson
    Oct. 31Wake Forest
    Nov. 7Boston College
    Nov. 14at Syracuse
    Nov. 21Liberty
    Nov. 27at North Carolina

    When you look at the schedule collectively, those first two games — on the road against Louisville, then home versus Mississippi State — take on new importance. Lose both, to a better-than-expected Louisville team and Mike Leach’s Bulldogs, and things start looking pretty dire pretty quickly. Win both? Suddenly, a 4-0 start is very reasonable.

    October is not an easy month, although Florida State at home is at least better than having to travel to Tallahassee. Clemson hasn’t lost a home game since 2016. A bye after that one, at about the midway point in the season, will be critical to a strong finish and for getting ready for a brutal final five weeks.

    Two of the Wolfpack’s four road trips come in the last five games of the season, first at Syracuse and then at UNC in the regular-season finale. Last season wasn’t kind to Syracuse, but Dino Babers is too good a coach for the Orange to fester in the conference cellar. And as for the Tar Heels, well, NC State doesn’t want to go into that meeting needing a win; last year’s 41-10 blowout may have been an outlier, but North Carolina’s dynamic offense is not. Still, there are winnable games throughout, and a bowl game is absolutely within reach.

    Final assessment

    One down year does not diminish what Doeren has built in Raleigh (namely five consecutive winning seasons from 2014 to 2018). That’s culture — the good kind. But it does require some introspection as to how the floor fell out and, more importantly, how to rebuild it better than before. That’s where “accountability” comes into play.

    Credit Doeren for being willing to make tough decisions and for recognizing they needed making in the first place. Now, there’s no guarantee the Wolfpack will start ripping off nine-win seasons again, but certainly they can pay immediate dividends. Better injury luck — it’s hard for it to be worse, no? — and the routine development of young talent should have NC State back on an upward trajectory, even if at a more modest level than two seasons ago. It all starts, though, with capitalizing on these changes in 2020.

    “There’s sacrifice and struggle that goes with winning. That’s the price you have to pay,” Doeren said. “Sometimes you have to unfortunately go through a tough time to be reminded of that.”

  • choppack1choppack1 Posts: 1,653
    edited July 2
    Question: Why do folks continue to focus on the overall record? That’s horribly misleading. College teams didn’t regularly  start playing 12 games until 2005 or 2006. DD looks great on the overall win metric because almost half of his wins (23) are vs cupcakes. Against P5 teams his record is brutal, 24 wins vs 40 losses (I think). This isn’t acceptable. He deserves credit for his 2017 and 2018 seasons and the building that went into that. However, his conference record is worse than his 3 fired predecessors.
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,664PFN Referee
    Yes, that annoyed me too.  Overall wins are misleading as fuck.  They finally (mostly) got away from talking about them in hoopsball.  JV NFL has a ways to go.

    Not to get fully on the soapbox, but that's why I like a 16-team playoff and centralized scheduling.
  • 13OT13OT Posts: 81
    The only thing you need to know about Wolfpack football is its dismal ACC record under Doeren during a period when the league has been awful. The Atlantic Division is tougher than the Coastal, yes, but sooner or later, you've got to contend for the conference championship. Wolfpack football hasn't even contended for its division during this time. They wouldn't have won it even once had Clemson not been in the division. 1979 moves farther away. As far as I know, NC State remains the team in the league that has gone the longest since winning or sharing a conference football title.

    Other than Clemson, opportunity to excel in the league has been squandered season after season. There have been a number of OOC wins, but against who? Most all of these games have been against lousy teams even by cupcake standards. I wouldn't even bet that Troy will be a likely win this season. If they play this season, I see probably 5-7.

    Covid could cancel the entire season or possibly cut it back. This isn't likely to be a season like any we've seen before unless things change fast. Besides having limited numbers of fans in the seats this fall, if they even play, records won't mean much, especially for any coaches on the hot seat. Players may not be available at times during the season, impacting outcomes. No college HC is likely to be fired under these circumstances, so we will likely see another season next year with Doeren, maybe several, especially if the 2020 season is cancelled. 

    Love him or hate him, I don't think this is good news for this long-suffering football program, but really, all I know are the results I've seen on the field since 2013.
  • TheAliasTrollTheAliasTroll Posts: 2,664PFN Referee
    edited July 2
    Oh an NC State sports thread.. how odd lol.. (it's been a loooooong spring/summer)

    In my eyes I feel like any championships earned this year will have asterisks... like the MLB world series champ didn't have to go through grueling 162 game schedule.. that said I do appreciate the athletes getting back out there and entertaining.
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,664PFN Referee
    COVID cancellation would be NC State's best scenario, honestly.
  • GsoPackBackerGsoPackBacker Posts: 937
    COVID cancellation would be NC State's best scenario, honestly.
    You're not the only person to think that.

    Personally, I'd vote to keep the tailgate lots open to maintain our pre-game and post- game skills,  appropriately masked and social distanced, of course.
  • turkeydanceturkeydance Posts: 121
    well, if we play on TV and without fans in 2020, i would like to hear the coaches and players without any "fake" crowd noise, etc. that would be my "silver lining" to this.
  • ryebreadryebread Posts: 2,153PFN Referee
    COVID cancellation would be NC State's best scenario, honestly.
    Given all the change and lack of in person time to implement it, I tend to agree.  And hey, we've never had a season without a loss so it'd be noteworthy!

    Thanks for posting the preview.  It's very well done.

    We've got DD this season and the following.  If there is no season, it'd be interesting to see if the staff gets an automatic roll over.
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,664PFN Referee
    Rye - they best not.  My "hope" for cancellation is based on burning another year off that boat anchor.
  • ryebreadryebread Posts: 2,153PFN Referee
    edited July 6
    Rye - they best not.  My "hope" for cancellation is based on burning another year off that boat anchor.
    A year will let people forget how bad the train was off the tracks when we last saw Pack football.  Optimism and a desire to just play will lead to a euphoria will make it easy for the administration to just roll those contracts over (though possibly at reduced rates). 

    If there's no football in the fall, then all this will go down before the next beat down by UNC.  That'd mean 2 more years.  If we play and another whipping happens, then it is 1 more season.
  • GasHouseGangstaGasHouseGangsta Posts: 487
    Give Mack the Covid? Is that DD's gameplan?
  • Vawolf82Vawolf82 Posts: 670PFN Referee

    Because ah CARE


    Without a QB, then it's not a matter of whether or not State will be good, it is just a matter of determining "how bad".   

    If you take a look at DD's record against decent teams WHEN HE HAD an NFL-QB, my original question still stands.
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,664PFN Referee
    I care about y'all, everyone is bored and desperate for #content
  • Fastback68Fastback68 Posts: 785
    Stanford slashing 11 sport programs.  If they can’t afford to carry on for 1 year which universities can?  
  • Pack78Pack78 Posts: 401
    Stanford also funds 36 (!) sports...
  • 89BABS89BABS Posts: 48
    Stanford slashing 11 sport programs.  If they can’t afford to carry on for 1 year which universities can?  
    From:  https://www.thekeyplay.com/content/2020/july/8/stanford-permanently-eliminates-11-its-36-varsity-sports

    Stanford will discontinue 11 of our varsity sports programs at the conclusion of the 2020-21 academic year: men's and women's fencing, field hockey, lightweight rowing, men's rowing, co-ed and women's sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men's volleyball and wrestling.


    Due to the escalating costs of operating such a large athletics department, a structural deficit emerged several years prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. That deficit was projected to exceed $12 million in FY21 and to grow steadily in the years ahead. The COVID-19 pandemic and associated recession have only exacerbated the gap; before these sport reductions, our revised forecasts indicated a best-case scenario of a $25 million deficit in FY21, factoring in the effects of COVID-19, and a cumulative shortfall of nearly $70 million over the next three years. These projected deficits could become much greater if the 2020-21 sports seasons are suspended or altered due to COVID-19.

    (Bold text mine)  Like many other organizations, COVID-19 takes the blame for making changes which would have been awkward otherwise.  In other words, things were already on shaky ground before COVID-19, and COVID-19 made the decision for them.
  • 1984Met1984Met Posts: 529
    89,  That is one of the major reasons why I have always thought that the very large conferences, such as the current ACC, are too big and expensive to maintain.  It would be much better to downsize the conference size and footprint now.  Let's get rid of the schools in the NE and Florida, especially ND. Go with 8 schools from Georgia to Virginia. If you want nine or ten schools, make SC and Maryland an offer they can't refuse. I would even trade ND for Maryland. Always thought Notre Dame fit better in the Big Ten anyway.
  • 1984Met1984Met Posts: 529
    By the way, SC is South Carolina and NE is the northeast.
  • GsoPackBackerGsoPackBacker Posts: 937
    Good news for their athletes that Ivy league doesn't award athletic scholarships.  If sports go away, the athletes still get their ""Academic" scholarships, assuming academic standing.
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