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Kobe Bryant passes in helicopter accident

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  • TexpackTexpack Posts: 2,101
    The Rockets and Nuggets players as they got the news during warm-ups looked like they had seen a ghost. The entire arena in Denver is in shock. 
  • WulfpackWulfpack Posts: 1,870
    He was a giant. His 13 year old daughter was also killed in the crash. He leaves behind three other children. Keep them in your prayers. 
  • WolfWiz11WolfWiz11 Posts: 366
    My favorite basketball player of all-time. This isn't real. This can't be real. 
  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 2,016
    Kobe was really a giant.  He has records that will never be broken.  He had some indiscretions that got a lot of notoriety.....probably overhyped and no worse than other super stars.   Far less than many well “respected” public figures....some elected and still popular.

    He seemed to make amends.  They had issues, but resolved them.  His death was horrible....but worse, he lost his child. So it is horrible.  Truly tragic.  His wife now has to bear the grief of a double loss. 


  • 1984Met1984Met Posts: 214
    I am not an NBA fan and did not get to watch him play much.  However, the following link shows that I would have liked his coaching philosophy for young players:

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/2020/01/23/kobe-bryant-life-after-nba-oscars/4521103002/

  • TexpackTexpack Posts: 2,101
    Two of the other victims of the crash were a former University of Houston baseball player and his daughter. 
  • WulfpackWulfpack Posts: 1,870
    Kobe and I are just a year apart in age. It was amazing to see a kid my same age go to the NBA. Then, he dominated it. When the game was on the line, he showed up, on both ends of the court. He’s the closest thing to Jordan I think we’ll ever see. 
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,315PFN Referee
    Minority view, I know.  But my first thought was hell gets another rapist/ball hog.
  • RickRick Posts: 1,890PFN Referee
    A friend of mine has a coworker whose sister and parents were on that helicopter. Kobe made mistakes but he was really into coaching his daughter. 
  • WulfpackWulfpack Posts: 1,870
    Minority view, I know.  But my first thought was hell gets another rapist/ball hog.
    I’m sorry, but that isn’t for you to judge.

    https://angelusnews.com/news/nation/the-catholic-faith-of-kobe-bryant/
  • SamIamSamIam Posts: 455
    Absolutely shocking and tragic.  What more of a reminder do any of us need that death can and will happen to anyone.  Tell someone in your families you love them every time you leave or go to bed.  
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,315PFN Referee
    yeah, I'm sure all the kid-diddlers considered themselves good Catholics, too.  I don't like him, and I believe the accuser.

    Feel sick for everyone else involved, though.  And most of my reaction is just seeing all the ass-kissing from all corners.
  • 1984Met1984Met Posts: 214
    Does anyone know if John Altobelli is a relative of the 1983 Baltimore Orioles manager Joe Altobelli?
  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 2,016
    Here is a late breaking story.  One MIGHT surmise that Kobe was the benefactor for the helicopter.  Yes, I remember some of the issues and that crossed my mind.  But, I don’t think that God or some entity punished him and the other 8 for a brief transgression.  If so, then all the jet setters that tell the world his to live their lives that cavorted with and enabled folks like Epstein and Weinstein and others should never travel in luxury accommodations.   

    Kobe was acting like a dad...and, hopefully, that portion of his life was left behind and resolved....

    If Tiger Woods passed tragically today, what would the reaction be?  His achievements on the course or his exploits with mistresses and porn queens?

    Really tragic.  Resources don’t matter.  I remember when Rick Hendrick’s plane went down.  A lot of the planes did not make the trip, but his pilots, who had impeccable records, felt it was safe...

    This one ranks up there with that one...I knew a lot of the people that Rick’s crash impacted and it lives forever their memories.  It changed the course of the Hendrick group....as well as many other families....
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,315PFN Referee
    What about OJ Simpson?
  • yeah, I'm sure all the kid-diddlers considered themselves good Catholics, too.  I don't like him, and I believe the accuser.

    Feel sick for everyone else involved, though.  And most of my reaction is just seeing all the ass-kissing from all corners.
    Yep...all the "fans" come out when someone famous dies even though he was not very likeable to many.
  • yeah, I'm sure all the kid-diddlers considered themselves good Catholics, too.  I don't like him, and I believe the accuser.

    Feel sick for everyone else involved, though.  And most of my reaction is just seeing all the ass-kissing from all corners.
    I won't judge him for his indiscretions, but I agree he was a ball hog, and he was a whiny little bitch when he first came out.  Let's not forget he SHOULD have played for the Hornets, as that is the team that drafted him, but he refused to play for them, and the Hornets ended up trading him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

    Still, a sad day when any person dies.
  • BasspackerBasspacker Posts: 209
    Cheeses... are you King Hippo or Saint Peter? So you have the keys of the kingdom of heaven now?  

    It was a tragic accident that by all reports seems to been weather related.
  • WolfWiz11WolfWiz11 Posts: 366
    Minority view, I know.  But my first thought was hell gets another rapist/ball hog.
    Charges were dropped. Never convicted of a single thing. So he was not a rapist. I'm sorry, but as an attorney, I have to say you are categorically wrong. And, personally, I think it is unfair to label someone as a criminal when they have been not been convicted of a crime beyond a reasonable doubt. 
  • WolfWiz11WolfWiz11 Posts: 366
    yeah, I'm sure all the kid-diddlers considered themselves good Catholics, too.  I don't like him, and I believe the accuser.

    Feel sick for everyone else involved, though.  And most of my reaction is just seeing all the ass-kissing from all corners.
    I won't judge him for his indiscretions, but I agree he was a ball hog, and he was a whiny little bitch when he first came out.  Let's not forget he SHOULD have played for the Hornets, as that is the team that drafted him, but he refused to play for them, and the Hornets ended up trading him to the Lakers for Vlade Divac.

    Still, a sad day when any person dies.
    There are also conflicting reports of this; some agree with you, but some say the Hornets were already planning on trading him for Vlade.

    I am biased; I'm a Lakers fan and a huge Kobe fan. I'm still in shock. But regardless of who died, famous or not, a helicopter crash with 9 fatalities is a terrible thing. 
  • TheAliasTrollTheAliasTroll Posts: 2,090PFN Referee
    edited January 27
    That's one of them things we'll likely never know.. on one hand obviously Kobe had the kind of resources to make that sort of thing much easier to "go away".  On the other hand I don't recall any other incidents outside of that accusation (I could be wrong) that called his character into question in that manner.

    As others have mentioned his death is a good reminder of our own mortality.
  • I disliked the Lakers growing up, but I haven't cared much about the NBA in at least 15 years. As a result, I wasn't a Kobe fan when I did care.

    Still, his death "hit" me.  In retrospect, it was because for good or bad, he was an iconic figure who died at a young age.

    I don't know squat about the real Kobe Bryant, what he truly did overall, either positive or negative.  Heck, I don't think any of us really do.

    With that, I will say that regardless of who he was, his death (and his daughter's and fellow passengers') is sad and tragic for their family and close friends.

    Given that, and in spite of tending to believe that there is something behind the charges he faced, I choose to be saddened for his family and friends.

    While that may be painful for the victim of his alleged crime, I don't feel the need to publicly villify him either.

    From the other side, I don't see the need to praise him for his contributions from afar as so many people choose to do when they don't know him.

    Each of us react differently and I try to keep in mind and ask others to do the same.  To me, thtat means your opinion can't be improper, but the manner in which you convey it can be.
  • TexpackTexpack Posts: 2,101
    1984Met said:
    Does anyone know if John Altobelli is a relative of the 1983 Baltimore Orioles manager Joe Altobelli?
    My UH sources say they were not related. 
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 3,315PFN Referee
    edited January 27
    Then OJ Simpson is no murderer.  Acquitted, amirite?

    I apply this fairly, I believe that Roethlisberger is also a rapist.  I openly call Winston "Rapey Jameis."

    Obviously, those with enough resources can USUALLY make such claims go away without facing charges.  But find anybody who works with sexual assault (police, social worker, judge, whatever) and see if they think I'm being unfair.

    Maybe 1 in 20 rapists actually get tried.  I'd bet the conviction rate is even lower.

    No, I don't think the presumption of innocence in the criminal justice system is wrong at all.  But I can still think you're a disgusting human being without a conviction.

    This is, like everyone else's, just an opinion.  And I can certainly be an asshole sometimes.  Take it for what it is.
  • WolfWiz11WolfWiz11 Posts: 366
    edited January 27
    The question isn't whether it's applied "fairly" across the board to those whom you believe are guilty of crimes of which they were never convicted. It's about subjectivity in doing so when our Constitution deems all men innocent until proven guilty. And any judge who doesn't believe in that shouldn't be on the stand.

    If we uphold the validity of the justice system when it provides results we agree with, then we must uphold the validity of the system when it provides results with which we do not agree.

    And I say that as someone who's actually been convicted of a crime. 
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