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Knee Surgery

HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee

I've had issues with one knee for years, but it's a "sometimes it bothers me and sometimes it doesn't". I've noticed over the past couple of years that it was impacting my golf game to the point of "if I can't play better than this, I need a new pastime". About a month ago, it got really cranky to the point that sometimes I could not get around without a crutch, swelling, and pain. Most of the time, not excruciating, but like a toothache.


Well, got to any ortho this morning(a Dookie, not a Hole) and he showed me the Xrays. Obvious difference between left and right because the right was bone on bone. So sometime in the fall, I'll "get'r done" and recuperate watching a lot of football~~

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  • freshmanin83freshmanin83 Posts: 1,095PFN Referee

    I hope it goes really well for you stick and the recovery is quick as possible.

  • TexpackTexpack Posts: 1,725

    Knee replacement? I had meniscus surgery in 2012. Did it the Wednesday before the start of March Madness. Best recuperation day ever. Get access to a pool for some water walking. You can strengthen the legs back without as much impact. Good luck.

  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 1,819
    edited August 6

    High,

    Have the same issues with a shoulder. Bone rubbing on bone and a small spur that adds some discomfort at times. Orthopedic doc says when I lose mobility and/or strength, he will fix it.

    As to your knee, I have had several friends and relatives have a knee replacement. I assume, but maybe in error, that is what you are talking about....since orthoscopic surgery can only fix things that are fixable, but not replace the lining or the articular cartilage if it is damaged or just worn out or ain’t there.

    i can also offer a bit of advice from a personal standpoint. When I fractured my femur (jagged break above the joint as well as numerous stress cracks in the same area and also further up the bone), I basically did a good “number” on the actual bone. Even worse, I cracked the end or the ball of the Femur....which is the joint. Make a tight fist. That is similar to the end of the Femur. Now, keeping the knuckles tight and bent, spread your fingers. BINGO....that was what my Femur looked like. The Tramua surgeon said it was an 8 on his scale of 1-10. He had to cut on each side to the bone and put a C-clamp on it and then drive in a titanium lag screw. Then he put on a long plate and shot 4 more screws through the plate into the ball or end....then I got 5 more screws in the plate spaced out over maybe a 10 - 12” distance.

    POINT of this comment....I am 10 months into my accident and do my own PT. I average about 1.25 hours daily between the gym and home strengthening and walking and stretching. Will probably do that about 6-8 months more.

    BUT....I walk without a noticeable limp and each week have less and less discomfort. Part of not 2.5 hour gym routine in also upper body conditioning. In the best shape that I have been in 8 years.

    Knee surgery is serious. Folks that will not follow the PT regime or that are macho and push the schedule and such always have issues. If you have room, a recumbent stationary or regular bike is critical. Also, at least for a while is a treadmill. Rent or find one with full rails on the sides all the way back or close to the back roller. I walk sideways and backwards most of the time for strengthening and conditioning and to restore balance.

    The GOOD NEWS.....you will only be off your “feet” for a short period of time. Muscle atrophy does not set in or is an issue. I was on non weight bearing (knee bent) status for 8 weeks and then another 6 weeks of partial. That took its toll.

    i would also recommend that you do whatever is necessary to get the knee in as good a shape as you can now. Orthopedic doc might recommend PT and steroids to reduce inflammation. THEN....HAVE IT FIXED. Sitting around or being on limited mobility or little exercise or daily routine weakens your quads, IT band, hamstrings and calves. Then you are behind the curve for PT and recovery. I was fortunate. I had been on a daily routine of walking and exercise and strengthening and stretching for almost 2 months prior to the accident. So, I recovered quicker.

    Out of the 10 or so folks that had a joint replaced, and a few had both done at the same time, the ones that had put it off and went in to surgery in a “heavy” state or in bad shape had the most trouble. Go (if you need to) on a strict diet and stay on it to reduce the stress on your muscles throughout your recovery.

    Finally, I had a friend that pushed his recovery. He also got a bad (think life threatening) case of Poison Ivy. His legs “oozed” so much that he got a massive infection. He did not see a doctor and get Prednisone to stop the spread. His knee joint was massively infected. They took out the joint and implanted an antibiotic “pack” for almost a month and THEN put back in a new joint. That is highly unlikely for most of us....except those that get ugly cases of Poison Ivy....like I do. Infection is the most common failure....so the healthier you are or can be, overall, the better.

    You will become a “onesie”. As you decline in years, you might achieve the SIX PACKER status. Two knees, Two hips & Two shoulders. Going to a cardio rehab or Silver Sneaker gym and listening to the “locker room” talk is much different from HS or college FB or such locker room banter....

  • Pack78Pack78 Posts: 260
    edited August 6

    Our small group at church consists of those of us in our 60's with the exception of one couple in their 20's...we laugh that as a group we need to restrict the discussions of joint ailments/replacements for the youngsters' sensibilities!

  • RickRick Posts: 1,629PFN Referee

    I had my meniscus done 6 or so years ago. I struggled a bit but then lost 40 lbs. I can play basketball once a week. I might regret it later but I am loving it now.

  • choppack1choppack1 Posts: 799

    highstick- Good luck man! My Dad had a hip replaced and my Mom both of them. They both walk better than before. A dude @ Y had his knee replaced and can still average 260 watts on a stationary bike.

    Hopefully, you can go back to getting around the course and spoiling those good walks!

  • Pack78Pack78 Posts: 260

    I had my meniscus done 6 or so years ago.

    Rick-I began to have knee pain about 4 months ago-described it to my internist and he speculated (no imaging taken) that the symptoms sounded like a small meniscus tear. I have been careful since then and now am close to 100%-what is involved with the operation if it flares up again?

  • RickRick Posts: 1,629PFN Referee

    I didn't have a tear but my knee cap was tracking wrong and it wore a hole in the meniscus.

    For me, they cut one of the tendons holding the knee cap so it tracked properly and then drilled holes in the back of the knee cap so it would bleed. I was told this would help with the meniscus (I do not know if it grows back but I could swear that is what they told me). It is not 100% but it does not hurt. I closely followed the rehab.

  • RickRick Posts: 1,629PFN Referee

    BTW one bit of advice I would give anyone is a foam roller.

    I had a free hour with a personal trainer and he told me the foam roller was a "game changer". I was extremely skeptical but I tried it. It took about a month but it really was a game changer. I had to quit basketball but was able to start playing again after I started rolling.

  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 1,819

    Ditto that. Docs are now recommending foam rollers for lower back pain. Find yourself a nice scantily clad partner....makes it even better.

    Regular rolling is also part of my knee therapy. Roll the IT Band (muscles along the outside of the thigh), quads and hamstring. That stretches them and gives them the elasticity they need or helps restore it. In addition the rolling increases blood flow which allows for more O2 and also allows the body’s immune system to work faster on the inflammation.

    IF you are prescribed Ibuprofen, then the increased blood flow gets the anti-inflammatory moving faster and in higher concentrations.

    max of 5 minutes on a spot. Anything past that is not necessary and if you are macho, you can bruise surrounding tissue.

  • HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee

    Oddly enough, I have worked my ass off this summer outside(laying sod, cutting Leylands with a chain saw, helping build a couple of houses at Habitat, mowing grass...I didn't realize it was as bad as it was until "it came from out of nowhere one afternoon". Couldn't walk at all for several hours without a crutch. Anyway, that incident triggered me to finally go to the Doc with the knee. First Xrays showed arthritis in knee, but I never saw them. Was referred to any Ortho and the Xrays were obvious. But, my leg muscles should be very strong going into this. Plus I've started using a rolling pin on the leg muscles because I know my hams get extremely tight. I may start swimming because I can do it with my grandkids and kill 3 birds with one stone. I should get some walking time in over the next month...a week to the mountains, then followed by 2 weeks to Communist Kalifornia. I can definitely do some walking on the beaches in Monterey and Carmel.


    Already taking 500 mg of Naproxen twice a day because of arthritis and peripheral neuropathy. It's less toxic on my gut that Ibuprofen.

  • Vawolf82Vawolf82 Posts: 341PFN Referee

    It's less toxic on my gut that Ibuprofen.

    Good luck on your surgery and recovery. My wife is going to get one knee fixed as well.

    After a number of gut issues, my doctor finally forced me to get the old-man colonoscopy. The diagnosis was called micro colitis which they wouldn't have found except for the extra test because I was having issues. The treatment consists of taking only Tylenol and come back in five years for another probing. The doctors never blamed Ibuprofin, but I used to swallow that stuff like candy for every ache/pain.

  • GreywolfGreywolf Posts: 654

    VA - Some years ago I had an endoscopy -- similar to a colonoscopy except from the top end and you are awake.

    When I started to complain about the pain, the nurse told me, "You guys are all alike. You can dish it out but you can't take it." I shut right up. 😁

  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 2,839PFN Referee

    Before my scope, I did absolutely fine playing tennis. Sitting on the couch watching my beloved #BFIB? Felt like I had an angry wasp stuck up in that fucker.

    Mostly ok now, but I did some hiking around Boulder, CO this past 4 days, and it's a-barkin' again.

  • HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee
    I have my pre-surgery physical next week.   I hope to get in a couple of football games beforehand.  So far the pain has been minimal except for short excruciating events.  Carrying my cane and knee brace got my wife and I boarded first on the flights to/from Kalifornia.  And with TSA pre clearance, it was a snap!  We flew in and out of San Jose and it was really convenient with the rental car.  All we had to do was pick up our bag and walk across the street.  If you haven't been to Pebble Beach in a while, they have a new Visitors Welcome Center.  Spent some time talking to one of the hosts.  He was another former military intel linguist.
  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 1,819
    High.....good news.  As one that is 13 months and counting and still doing daily at home PT and also gym workouts.....  It takes dedication and perseverance.  I am 95% (or more) BACK.  BUT, that little that I need to be "agile, spry and confident" will take some time.  There are little motions or things that I can't do and need to focus on those.

    As to Pebble Beach, we were there last year.  We did the "whatevermile" trip.  IF you tell the guard at the entrance that you are going to the "Clubhouse" for a meal and then "SHOP", they let you in for free.  We did have a meal on the terrace or the lower level.  It was reasonable.  My GK's looked at the main dining menu and told Nana (Grand Daddy is gonna have a hissy).  BUT downstairs, the service was excellent....food was superb and the cost was not that out of line at some of Raleigh's nicer spots.  I would do it again in a heartbeat.  The GK's loved the up scale shopping and NARY a cent was spent....

    Keep up your exercises (stretching and strengthening)....
  • my wife is tougher than any of y'all.

    she had BOTH knees done at the same time.
    they usually don't do this for females, since the upper body strength
    (getting up off the potty) is not enough for safety. but she did it.
    it took two years for her to feel like it never happened.
  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 1,819
    my wife is tougher than any of y'all.

    she had BOTH knees done at the same time.
    they usually don't do this for females, since the upper body strength
    (getting up off the potty) is not enough for safety. but she did it.
    it took two years for her to feel like it never happened.
    See ROO's law on aging (similar to Moore's).  My SIL, an NCSU Grad in her early 60's had severe knee issues.  She could barely make it up the steps to Row Y for her BOUGHT seats...  She also had a shoulder issue.  She had TWO ortho docs.

    Her KNEE Doc said.....Ain't gonna operate.....you do NOT have enough arm strength with your shoulder issues.  SO, she had to wait 4 months.  Had Ortho surgery on shoulder and then extensive PT to get arm strength back.  Once she passed the "Olyve Oyl the Sailerperson's Main Squeeze" test that her Knee Doctor administered....THEN he did BOTH knees.  YEP....cut BOTH of them suckers wide open and put in them fancy Titanium affairs.  She was diligent in her PT on that (having learned that faking PT is a No No) and then recovered quickly.  She is fleet of foot today and has no issues getting up and down.

    It was really touch and go for awhile and she almost put off BOTH to the point that there was NO WAY BACK...

    I am NOT an Ortho doc....but I have talked to a bunch of them.  I am still fighting or actually working on complete rehab on my leg and knee.  Ortho doc said.....if your Femur heals OK and you have joint issues, then I got a carbide tipped "OR Dremel Tool" and I will cut off the joint and my handiwork (my 12" Titanium strut lagged screwed to my left Femur) and put you in a new joint.....you can then booalou with the big dogs...

    Hats off to your wife for her PT and endurance and determination.  My DW, of 54 years, had already decided HOW she was going to rearrange the house for my wheel chair and then where we were moving.....  IN CASE I DID NOT RECOVER.  At least my kids and GK's had faith in me.  DW is of the "It don't work....throw it out and do without or get a new one".  I keep kidding her that as long as I can get backstreet blue pills, I will NOT go quietly into that good night....
  • KingHippo_fka_BJD95KingHippo_fka_BJD95 Posts: 2,839PFN Referee
    San Jose and environs are just beautiful.  I went with my then-wife on a business trip, and ended up hiking to the top of Yosemite Falls.  Once in a lifetime experience.
  • HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee
    High.....good news.  As one that is 13 months and counting and still doing daily at home PT and also gym workouts.....  It takes dedication and perseverance.  I am 95% (or more) BACK.  BUT, that little that I need to be "agile, spry and confident" will take some time.  There are little motions or things that I can't do and need to focus on those.

    As to Pebble Beach, we were there last year.  We did the "whatevermile" trip.  IF you tell the guard at the entrance that you are going to the "Clubhouse" for a meal and then "SHOP", they let you in for free.  We did have a meal on the terrace or the lower level.  It was reasonable.  My GK's looked at the main dining menu and told Nana (Grand Daddy is gonna have a hissy).  BUT downstairs, the service was excellent....food was superb and the cost was not that out of line at some of Raleigh's nicer spots.  I would do it again in a heartbeat.  The GK's loved the up scale shopping and NARY a cent was spent....

    Keep up your exercises (stretching and strengthening)....
    We ate "inside from the terrace" and got our entry fee refunded.  I didn't spend any money shopping either.  I've got so many hats, I have a hard time keeping up with them anyway.

  • AdventurooAdventuroo Posts: 1,819
    Cool wasn’t it....
  • HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee
    Cool wasn’t it....
    Yep, I'd been there several times before.  I was also stationed in Monterey for a year, but didn't have a lot of free money to spend over there.  I did make the Crosby in 1967 and was there for one of the car shows.

  • HighstickHighstick Posts: 309PFN Referee
    Well, two weeks post op and everything is progressing pretty good with the knee.  Minor setback was the sciatic nerve on that side started acting up Friday night and has slowed me down with the exercises a bit.  

    I think the biggest shock was waking up in recovery room and they asked me to wiggle my toes.  I could do that, but my leg felt like a block of granite with no sensation at the time.  I had fun sleeping with the meds and ice for two nights.  
  • freshmanin83freshmanin83 Posts: 1,095PFN Referee
    Glad to hear you are doing ok highstick. 

    Sleeping with the meds, sounds like it should be the title to a song or poem or something.
  • TexpackTexpack Posts: 1,725
    Hang in there. Hope you have a good PT to get you back to normal. Glad you’re progressing. 
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